Thursday, December 13, 2012

ARE WE THERE YET???

If President Obama were a corporate CEO selling and negotiating a deal for his company, he'd be laughed out of the board room about now. But he's not, and nobody's laughing. John Boehner, speaker of the House, may in fact, be weeping. Not only did Obama turn down the Republican's recent proposal, he called it not even "serious" enough to consider discussing. The proposal actually seemed quite serious---it offered 800 billion in tax revenue to be gained through loopholes by the rich. And it proposed another 600 billion in cuts to federal  health programs. It was made in good faith, and turned down flat by a president who is evidently going to accept nothing less than his way, which is that negotiations can only begin, it at all, by demanding that anyone making $250.000.00,( $200,000.00 for individuals) and over must pay "their fair share". Period. End of discussion. This is not compromising--it's bullying, and stunning in its nakedness. Even the Dems must be at least slightly embarrased at this man's arrogance and refusal to grant a reply and modicum of respect to the Republican leader.

But that's where we presently are, and the Republicans,  maybe not serious enough for the president, are so not amused.  Either they agree to Obama's insistence on taxing those making over 250 thou a year, or face the prospect of everybody's taxes going up and huge cuts to the military and domestic programs, i.e., over the cliff. There seems to be no middle ground. It's a lose, lose proposition because the president holds the winning hand, and he's not about to fold it. It's all about taxing the rich, if you can call $ 250,000 rich, and unless that demand is met, he is willing to let us all go under, or over in this  case   This would  make sense, if taxing the top money makers were really the magic bullet that would solve our problems---but it isn't, as it will only make a small contribution to the revenue. Obama has to know this, he has surely done the math--- but it's both his hubris and his driving ambition to accomplish his greatest idealogical goal---to "spread the wealth", and the key to that is to hold high the banner of class warfare, no matter the cost to the country. It matters not to him that the rich can't save us from excessive over spending and ever increasing debt---only that we must blame them and change the national mode of operandus from one of making it, to that of taking it. That's the plan, the vision, the transformation of America, and he's sticking to it---got that John Boehner? You are between a rock and a hard place-- the prez doesn't want to negotiate with you, because he thinks he doesn't have to, and humiliating you is much more fun.

At this point in time, Boehner must be pulling his hair out, but he has presented yet two more proposals to the White House---and to the chagrin of his more conservative party members, is starting to fold on the tax issue, but holding out for at least some semblance of compromise, otherwise known as cuts in spending. Speaking of cuts, we don't know what cuts, if any, Obama would approve, even if he gets his way on the taxes.  Everybody knows that Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are the elephants in the room, but are rarely mentioned anymore, at least not publically, and especially not from the Obama camp. Revenue is the goal, not cuts. That's the grand bargain. What he wants  is an extra 1.5 trillion, which is twice what he had originally requested from Boehner last summer and didn't get.  Spite may not be Obama's game, but hard ball is. Don't expect much in the wayof substantial cuts--that would be compromising. 

 Like Charlie Sheen once said, he is "winning", and there's no reason to bend.  Charlie Sheen, however, finally saw, if not the error of his ways, that the public was not behind him. He lost his job, and his fan base. Now, we know that Obama is certainly no Charlie Sheen, but he might want to consider that there is more to winning than getting your own way in a so called democracy, without something called balance--- a nice concept he likes to talk about, but for which he shows little regard, even asking for congress to grant him control over the debt ceiling without congressional approval!! His contempt for anything other than his way is palatable, and his march towards transforming this country is relentless.  It seems all road blocks are disappearing like dominoes. Welcome to the outskirts of Obamaville---where once upon a time a country gave its self to a man they barely knew, and trusted him to lead them out of the wilderness. Only he really didn't know the way back--only forward to a different kind of America.

The Republicans and the conservative philosophy believe that true revenue comes not from more and more taxation, but from a healthy, thriving economy, where jobs are plentiful, reasonable taxes flow from that income, and the sky's the limit to fulfilling one's potential, leaving behind the idea that we must rely on others for our well being, and that we can indeed pursue our own happiness.  The social responsiblities multiply too, because the revenue from more of those who can work provide for a larger safety net, instead of soaking the "wealthiest among us".

 But sadly, the Republicans are not even talking about that now---they are retreating, caving, because they have not been able to sell this once attractive idea----they need a better marketing scheme, and much better sales people. John Boehner  looks like a light weight compared to Obama, the Tyson of class warfare, and perhaps the best political salesman we've ever seen, except he has no class. He fights dirty, keeps changing his demands, and upping the ante.

But here's the thing, the really paradigm changing thing---what he's selling, i.e. big daddy government, more benefits for all, and stick it to the rich seems to be the latest, hippest, trend. It sells like Jeans and t-shirts---some really can't afford anything else,  but many more just want to look that way, because it's cool and progressive.  Republicans seem almost old fashioned with their message of jobs, prosperity, and dreaming big---and may be losing the battle. Are we witnessing the demise of the two party system?
    
One has to wonder---is that what Obama and company want? To destroy? To deny common courtesy and dignity to the Republicans by calling their offers and any conversations of cuts not serious enough to consider,so that the Republican brand is seen as over, out dated, no longer worthy of  even a discussion? Is that fair and balanced, and is Obamaville, like Obamacare, going to ultimately engender more resentment than acceptance, as we realize we had very little to say about it?  But isn't that what elections are all about, and didn't we---?  Yes, we did--- some of us.

 Time and history have a way of sorting things out, and sometimes the best way to get through trouble is simply to walk through it no matter the hazards or the price.  The Republicans, led by John Boehner and his constituents must decide. whether to stand down, or stand up to their principles. They must also start searching for future leaders of their party--someone who can inspire and sell the party's vision of an America that is much more than a welfare state, and still capable of being the land of opportunity and dreams, where anything is possible.  Is anybody listening? Or do those who believe in such things number only in the minority? If that be the case, then again, welcome to "Obamaville"---the land of over-sized government, smaller lives, fewer liberties, and no big dreams. We're almost there---send in the clowns. The Republicans died along the way.

It's too  bad the American public can't be privvy to the private conversations going on behind closed doors between Boehner and Obama---they might very well see what we're instinctively perceiving---that often the best pitch man isn't necessarily selling the best idea. He just holds the bigger stick.      















35 comments:

  1. Yes, the President does seem to have the better hand at this juncture. Although I'm surprised that conservatives are giving up so early. Boehner and Obama will wait until the last possible moment to make that deal, because any other course would be politically disasterous for them both. But make it they will, and you may be pleasantly surprised by what they end up with.

    you say things like "the sky's the limit", are you only talking in terms of money? And do you really believe that unlimited wealth for the very few is good for this or any country? Most people, even Americans, don't define success solely on the amount of money they can hoard. Most people wouldn't even enjoy dinner with the ordinary tycoon. I think you're sincere in wanting a country where jobs are plentiful, but for the life of me I can't understand how you figure the continuation of a tax cut for the wealthy is going to get us there. By an large, the wealthy are not investing in industries that open up jobs in this country as it is. There have been no tax increases since 1980. Where are the jobs? ...And one small digresion: Nobody's income below $250,000 would see a tax increase under the President's proposal as it stands--not even for the wealthiest.

    ReplyDelete
  2. No, of course I wasn't speaking only of money, though money, it cannot be denied, is one of the ways we gauge success, and it is certainly one of the things which makes us happy--for it brings us a level of security and means with which to cushion our lives. If that were not so, you would not be determined to make it so accessible to others, i.e, your support of unions, and your promoting of higher wages for the poor and middle class.

    But my point with "the sky's the limit" phrase was to say that conversatives believe that pursuing one's own potential, be it money or simply a quest to be the best one can be personally, is best achieved without the ever growing constraints of an overbearing govt., which whether you like it or not, has a lot to do with the fact that they now take at least 40%, of every dollar you earn,not to mention other interferences, such as diet restrictions, health dictates, and all kinds of other things being considered as "for the better good". If that doesn't bother you, then go for it, be happy!!!

    I believe you're wrong re taxes on everone--if we go over the cliff, we will indeed see everyone's taxes go up, as they must to pay for Obamacare, and his ever growing budget. Taxing the rich isn't going to be enough--as I've said many times, and most economists agree with that. I can't, to quote you, can't for the life of me see why you don't see that---but then, you seem to have drunk the kool-aid, i.e that the rich must pay for their sin of being rich. To blame them for everything seems more like envy, than reasonable. To blame them for not enough jobs since 1980 is also unreasonable---there are many other factors at play,inc. global business expansion, unions who have gone overboard with their demands here at home, the internet, which shrinks the labor market,etc. but if you keep tying the hands of those who produce, taking more money out their pockets by unfair and exhorbitant taxing, you will see decline that you can surely trace to Obama's march to class warfare.

    ReplyDelete
  3. Your eloquence overwhelmes me. Although I may not agree with you, I can't match your English. ...with one exception: Your occasional slip into cliches like "class warfare". Stratification of society is a fact that must be recognized for the health of the country, but the subject is avoided even in sociology/economics texts in America. Europeans are more cognisant of the problem and so do more to attenuate the worst excesses.

    What is your opinion of John Kerry for Secretary of State?

    ReplyDelete
  4. I prefer Hillary Clinton--but she's got other plans. My opinion of Kerry is that he's a staunch Obama supporter and will carry out the president's diplomatic policies ---he may well be even more left leaning than either Obama or H. Clinton.

    Speaking of Hillary--- how convenient that she is suddenly declared too sick to testify at the Ben Ghazi hearings---could it be the lady doesn't want to perjure herself??

    ReplyDelete
  5. I fail to see anything constructive in your comment about H. Clinton's illness and concussion, anything that contributes to a conversation about national policies. Why would you want to discredit her at this point and politicize a national tragedy?

    ReplyDelete
  6. What national tragedy are you referring to? The Ben Ghazi incident was and is not only tragic, but very curious, and certainly is political, without having to politicize it. Hillary Clinton's contribution to clarifying what went on there is crucial, and many think it is her patriotic duty to testify, as well as her responsibility as Secretary of State. She may well be too sick to do so now, but the timing is suspicious.

    I hope you were not referring to the Conn. tragedy, which has nothing to do with my prior comments---too painful at this point, even to discuss, and hopefully will not any point become politicized by either party.

    ReplyDelete
  7. I was not referring to the Conn tragedy, but I was wondering about your stand on automatic assault weapons.

    ReplyDelete
  8. Personally, I would not care if they threw all the guns in the ocean. But that would not stop all the violence, unfortunately. I definitely hope they ban assault weapons and tighten up the accessability on all guns---but the problem go so much deeper. There's a book out titled, I think--"Have We Lost Our Soul?" I believe the author is referring to the country, or perhaps anything connected to the federal govt.,and thereby us as a culture, becoming or wishing to become completely secular, and in the process losing our moral compass--food for thought.

    ReplyDelete
  9. Were the government to be completely secular (whatever you mean by that) the culture would not necessarily become so. Separation of church and state has strengthened religious institutions in the country, not weakened them, and culture goes along quite well in the private sector. We should not overlook the contributions to our moral compass by atheists, too.

    I did a search for "Have We Lost Our Soul" and came up empty handed. Please provide more information. I'd like to have a look at it.

    Religion by itself has been the cause of as much violence as the reverse. I agree with your position on gun control including that all violence will not be stopped thereby. But I think guns are the most lethal means of violence after bombs. Countries with rigorous gun control have much lower homicide rates than the USA. Other factors play into it, of course, but reducing the frequency of mass murders like Newtown will be worth any efforts we make in that direction. Are we in sync?

    ReplyDelete
  10. Yes, agreed that gun laws need to be modified. Can't hurt, may not help much, but worth a good try. We must try whatever we can, inc. movies, videos, games,, and certainly mental health problems.

    The "Soul---" book I referred to was actually upon further investigation, not a book, but a column written by Bob Greene of the New York Daily News. You should be able to find it on the internet. Have to confess I have yet to read it, myself, but from what I've heard reviewed about it, it does lament the ongoing secular movement and increasing elimination of all things referring to God or a supreme being in our government institutions, inc. schools and politics. I agree, religion, that is man's interpretation of his relationship with God, is not always constructive or true--but to completely expunge God from our culture, that is to say, not of the home, but of the world we live in outside our home, is to risk possibly losing not only our foundational and historical morals, but even our souls, as we struggle to live quality lives without them.

    Yes, atheists surely are not without morals, but if man is born with a conscience, it is not of man, but of He who made him---the atheist cannot take credit for his goodness, without acknowledging from whence it comes--and if he doesn't know, or deludes himself into thinking it comes naturally from human kind, then his good works are limited and shallow, serving only man, not God---and that can be the difference between forgiveness and revenge, compassion and contempt, acceptance and tolerance, doing the right thing and getting even, wounding and healing, understanding and resenting, and many other things, but ultimately serving a higher purpose other than one's own, and obeying a different king.

    To look into the eyes of both the young man who murdered the people in the Denver theatre and now Adam Lanza, who slaughtered the children in Conn.---is to see utter emptiness-- a loss of soul, or separation from God, you might say. May He have mercy upon them---and us, as we seek to find the answers.

    ReplyDelete
  11. I have not heard nor read a more religious speech by any US President than that delivered by Barack Obama in Newtown, Conn. a few days ago, so I guess the government hasn't gone completely secular yet. But those who would have it do so are not necessarily wishing that religion be expunged from the CULTURE--just from government. And I would hope that officials of government serve a higher purpose than the particular brand of religion they choose for themselves. Personally, I believe God would have us love and respect and fully enfranchize atheists along with many others we may not agree with.

    ReplyDelete
  12. No one has advocated not loving or disrespecting anyone--just the opposite, in fact, for most faiths encourage and teach those things much more so than secularity, or belief in nothing. What I am suggesting is that government laws do indeed reflect upon the culture, and vice versa. Let's be clear--we're not talking about persecuting or disrespecting anyone, but choosing to honor our history as a people who acknowleged a deity ,sought his guidance, and identified themselves as a God fearing country, as opposed to Godless.

    If that offends some, then it might be good to consider that to not do so, is also offensive to others. And so we should choose to identify with nothing at all?? It is a disturbing trend now, that to mention anything at all that might brand one as a believer, is taboo, and considered old fashioned, out of step with modern times, and so terribly unsophisticated.

    I don't think that any one religion by any one person should prevail--but a simple recognition of a supreme being, or God, is pretty acceptable to all religions. Kudos to Obama for occasionally mentioning scripture---as a leader of the free world, he could use his bully pulpit to let it be known that we are a people who seek a higher moral ground than that which is offered by mere humans. I think it strengthens , rather than weakens our reputation and possibly our potential to survive, endure and outlast the evil that so often raises its ugly head, as it did in Conn. Secularity or, if you will, kind words, and well meaning actions are not enough when a nation is brought to its knees---thank God, we are still able to hear the healing words of presidents, pastors, rabbis, and others who dare to speak His name in public.

    ReplyDelete
  13. Yeah, but what about Colorado's Ammendment 64?

    ReplyDelete
  14. What about it?? Do you agree??

    ReplyDelete
  15. Amendment 64 is a watershed in this country--the end of the criminalization of an activity most adults have partaken. Colorado and Washington have presented themselves as mini-experiments for the rest of the nation to observe before passing similar legislation themselves. Whatever your opinion about the harmful or beneficial effects of marijuana, one thing is certain: incarceration on a felony charge is far worse.

    ReplyDelete
  16. Pretty much agreed---though I did not vote for it. Just couldn't do it, same as if I was handing over the keys to a 13 year old, knowing that it may bring her harm, if she knows how to drive. Adults aren't 13 year olds, but many of them have little discipline, and the temptation to graduate to other drugs will be easier now. Also the idea that we need drugs to live a happier life is a sad commentary on our evolvement---but perhaps it's true. I do agree that we need to stop putting people in jail for less serious crimes, such as possession of marijuana. Our jails are bulging and we have plenty of other true dangers to society to take up the slack.

    ReplyDelete
  17. Those who are perpetually high, just as those who are always somewhat drunk, are doing themselves and their families a grave diservice. I have no problelms with medical usage of either marijuana or alcohal. I've never experienced the kind of unrelenting pain some describe, but both drugs have their side effects, and alcohal especially is dangerous. As for marijuana being a gateway to other, more harmful drugs, the jury is still out on that. Once marijuana is taken out of the black market, users will not have illegal pushers encouraging them to try other drugs. It's, as you say, those who "need" drugs to be happy who are at risk of abusing them. This conversation hopefully will continue even more vigorously once the taboo is removed.

    ReplyDelete
  18. Let's hear it for Santa Claus!

    ReplyDelete
  19. Buh-bye!!!! See ya, wouldn't wanta be ya!!!

    ReplyDelete
  20. Hi! I simply wish to offer you a big thumbs up for the excellent info
    you've got here on this post. I am returning to your site for more soon.
    Feel free to surf my homepage ... new super mario bros. soda jungle painted swamp

    ReplyDelete
  21. Well... We're over the Fiscal Cliff. Now what?

    ReplyDelete
  22. As I predicted, they waited until the last possible moment to come to some kind of compromise. Their constituencies would have it no other way. They kicked the can down the road concerning budget cuts, but at least we now know the tax part. Maybe it's as it should be that the two issues be debated seperately. I heard the tax increase for the upper stratum will produce 600 billion over ten years. ...Sounds like a lot of money and it will help a little bit. It's interesting just how much money flows uphill that makes it possible to raise that much revenue from so few citizens with just a few percentage points. The middle class has been rescued from a devastating blow, but now watch out for how the budget cuts will injure the very most vulnerable among us: the poor. I don't think the defence department will be completely immune this time. There's another prediction for you. But a very painfully crafted compromise now lies ahead. It won't be pretty,I don't suppose.

    ReplyDelete
  23. Oh, my! I spoke too soon. Now the House is balking!

    ReplyDelete
  24. And down to the finish line: the House passes it with one third Republicans voting for it. whew! Even I was sweating!

    ReplyDelete
  25. No comment for now---still reeling from the effects of cliff hanging. Now, I need oxygen to breathe the rarified thin air of a way station on the way down to the next avalanche of the debt problem. Nothing solved her, just given a respite for a minute----

    ReplyDelete
  26. Malaysia & Singapore & brunei ultimate internet blogshop for wholesale & supply korean add-ons,
    accessories, earstuds, locket, rings, bangle, trinket & hair add-ons.

    Offer 35 % wholesale discount. Ship Worldwide
    My page :: ginástica mental

    ReplyDelete
  27. Malaysia & Singapore & brunei ultimate internet blogshop for wholesale & supply korean accessories,
    accessories, earstuds, locket, rings, hair, bangle & trinket add-ons.
    Deal 35 % wholesale rebate. Ship Worldwide
    My webpage > sittercity.com promo code

    ReplyDelete
  28. I think this blog has been hijacked!

    ReplyDelete
  29. Should I tell him/her this is a blog, not an advertising forum???!!!!

    ReplyDelete
  30. The most important thing here in Colorado seems to be the loss of the Broncos in OT last night.

    ReplyDelete
  31. Important, but only for a while---there's always next year!! But that one stung--even I felt their pain!!!

    ReplyDelete
  32. looking forward to the Inauguration. I love the pageantry, regardless of which party is in! Don't you?

    ReplyDelete
  33. Yes, the pageantry is exciting and lovely---but to be honest,I'm having a hard time with mustering much optimism this time---this country is so divided, and the prospects for future harmony are few.

    ReplyDelete
  34. Patience, dear blogger. The Gen-X voters will eventually be outnumbered by the Millenials who may usher in a whole new age of cooperation.

    ReplyDelete