Wednesday, January 11, 2012

REPUBLICAN DEBATE OR DEBACLE??

You gotta love this country---where else can you watch a presidential election season that goes on for two years, and where the participants not only get sent to the cleaners by the media, but by themselves as well?  We Americans do not need others to criticize us---we're masters of self examination and flagellation. We're great at cleaning out closets and finding any lurking skeletons. Yes, before we'll even think about voting for you, we'll  send you to hell and back, publicly air all your dirty laundry, and hang you out to dry. If you're still standing, we'll treat you to more.  But what great theatre it is---if you like to watch people embarrass themselves and humiliate others. Watching the  Republican debate last Saturday night was like watching a game of cat and mouse---even though there were only 3 cats, and 5 mice. The cats, the mainstream media known as Diane Sawyer, George Stephanopoulos, and Josh McElveen, seemed to be doing their best to trap the mice, otherwise known as Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul, and John Huntsman, the remaining Republican presidential candidates.

.George S., asking questions of little relevance to the forthcoming election, was a prime example of baiting, instead of debating.  Mr. Stephanopoulos, who was a senior advisor under the Clinton administration and is still of the liberal persuasion appeared much  like a college student trying to get the best of a much smarter professor as he went after Romney with a completely irrelevant and out of left field question---"would you approve of a state banning contraceptives?" Excuse me?  What?? Romney, who is at all times respectful, Mr. Nice Guy, even had a hard time remaining so, as he stared at George increduously, trying to decide how to answer in such a way as to not completely dismiss or discredit George or the question.  He replied that he didn't know of any state that was banning contraceptives, so what's the problem?  In other words, what does that have to do with anything? But George continued to badger Romney, until the audience began showing their disapproval by booing Stephanopoulos and then applauding Romney when he finally broke down after six attempts by George  to bully him into an answer, and called the question "silly". "Stupid", wouldn't have been too strong a word for anyone other than Romney. At the very least, the question was inappropriate and out of context, and it very much appeared that George was trying to paint the governor from Mass. as a  religious fanatic, morally dangerous to our increasingly secular society. Giving him some benefit of the doubt, his question probably had roots in the infamous "Roe vs. Wade" ruling, which proceeded the "right to privacy" ruling.  But it was such an obvious stretch and attempt to cast Romney in a negative light that it sunk under the weight of Stephonoupolos's attack mode. Would he pose such a loaded question to Obama---"Tell me, President  Obama--- how would you feel if all the Christians gathered and insisted on prayer in the schools?  And by the way, if all the Republican congressmen were suddenly sitting in your living room, would you serve them tea or contempt?"

The debates are usually lead by the liberal media, who in turn treat the Republican candidates as suspects, rather than viable, qualified men seeking the presidency. They should be asked tough, relevant questions, but not of the sort nor in the manner of G.S. The issues of importance today are of the economy, jobs, international affairs, and which direction philosophically, this country wishes to go.  Diane Sawyer also disappointed with her strangely framed question of gays and how the candidates might speak to them were they seated with them in a living room setting. Really?? It is doubtful that any one of the current top Republican contenders would dramatically change any of the existing laws having to do with contraceptives or gay rights. Most of them believe in leaving those sorts of issues up to the individual states, not the  federal government. Yes, they can appoint conservative judges, but not of the extreme variety without being scrutinized and vetted by the senate and the ever watching American public.

It is not at all unusual for the presidential debates to be held within the framework of the mostly liberal press--but this was a grand and obvious display of bias and attempt to color the candidates socially narrow minded and unfit to be the president of the United States, because of their personal opinions and faiths . It would seem this is doing the country a dis-service, as the real issues of concern this time, are not so much social issues, but hard core financial problems. We want to know how these men would put the country back to work , what they would do to fix our broken budget, and how they would approach the growing middle east problems, especially the nuclear threats coming out of Iran.

At one point, Newt Gingrich gave the debate a refreshing twist when he turned the tables on the interviewing panel by asking them why the media never questions the government for their increasing bias against Christian institutions and values. It was a defining moment for Gingrich and gave rise to the thought that perhaps the candidates ought to stop allowing themselves to appear as trapped mice in a shooting gallery, and change the format to one in which they could actually debate each other and the issues of importance.

 There will be plenty of time in the coming months for dissection of the chosen Republican candidate's opinions on everything from soup to nuts ,abortions to the nuclear threat, as he goes toe to toe against Obama and his Democrat party machine. But for now, the Republicans need to show a united front against the current administration, exhibit how and why theirs would be a better approach to saving this country from financial destruction, and refuse to be victimized and belittled by news reporters who present themselves as fair and balanced, but who, in fact are at times so slanted that their so called debate slide into a debacle.  It's proof that life isn't fair, and neither is this process of the mostly liberal media trying to play "got'cha" with the candidates.  Only this time, the one who got caught red handed, was George Stephanopoulos  like a planted  rookie, trying to play ball with the big boys. Dial it down, George---you looked,--- well,silly.

But as if the candidates themselves aren't happy to let the debates and the likes of G.S. vet or get them---they, themselves seem to feel its necessary to weed out each other---it's a tough game,  politics. One minute you're up, the next down---and sometimes snookered by your own team mates..Newt Gingrich, who suffered a big loss in Iowa, unwisely decided to go after Mitt Romney on the eve of the New Hampshire primary held on Tuesday of this week.  It was payback time for Newt who was still smarting from his loss in the Iowa primary, for which he blamed negative ads put out by a conservative political action group, Super Pac,  and not disputed by Romney. Rick Perry joined in the fray, criticizing Romney for his past history of dismantling, firing, and rebuilding  companies in trouble. They accused Romney of "vulture capitalism". By the way, is that anything like taking over the auto companies?? Tsk, tsk, and sour grapes to you both. Obama and company must be taking notes---and smiling like Cheshire cats who's cream has just been handed them.

Meanwhile, Romney won  in New Hampshire, with Ron Paul, the Jack- in- the- box surprise element of the campaign season, coming in second, and John Huntsman showing up third. But is anyone truly winning yet?? Ron Paul is a wild card that's looking strangely playable lately. What's up with that? The man is gathering steam,and there are those who say it's time to listen to his brand of libertarian conservatism vs. moderate conservatism.  But, unless he can take the scare out of his isolationist policy, he's running just for the exercise.  No one seems to know exactly what the Republicans are looking for, but they'd best find it soon, or Obama may win by default. Note to Repubs.---it's time to circle the wagons, or leave Dodge City to the Dems---
  
The bloodied candidates will have another chance with yet another debate next Monday night. Let's hope the format is more fair, and that the candidates themselves will stop trying to destroy each other, as this uniquely American process continues. Soon, the ultimate debates will begin----the  Republican challenger vs. President Obama, and the well equipped Democrat machine.  We can dream that the media moderators will at least keep their bias down to a low roar, and that they allow the American people to decide, based on fair and pertinent questions.

Debate, debacle, or disgusting---it's show time in America. The whole world is watching---and one thing they can't say about us---we don't coddle our own, or hide our flaws.  Like one big noisy family, we let it all hang out---may the best man win, and may we have the wisdom to choose correctly. The prize is our future.   .

33 comments:

  1. G. S. must have gotten M. R. mixed up with R. S. Rick actually does have probelms with contraception. But where was he?

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  2. Hmmm.... I don't remember J. F. K. having an opinion on contraception. Do you? His Catholic affiliation would make one wonder. No, I meant like G. W. B. who caved under Vatican pressure and restricted the use of condoms for Africans at risk for AIDS. That has sinced been reversed under B. H. O. But R. S. has actually publically confirmed his opposition to birth control of any kind. He's not just a Catholic but a member of the ultra-conservative Opus Dei. Anyway, he seems to be history. As the action now moves to SC with Romney's lead getting ever narrower, the two candidates you seemed to not like are getting stronger. N. G. is calling M. R. names like "vulture capitolist" (instead of venture capitolist). The Dems have only to sit back and watch their opponents do their dirty work for them.

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  3. No, but I don't remember Rick Santorum having one either in regards to how it would apply to his presidency. Unless we want to elect atheist or agnostic, we are always going to have men of some kind of faith--hopefully, their personal beliefs will not trump the constitution. As I recall, Obama had a Muslim father and partial Muslim upbringing---maybe G.S. will ask him--"so, Pres. Obama---whom do you really prefer, Muslims or Christians??"

    Newt Gingrich is disappointing me with his vengeance against Romney, but then he sort of asked for it---Romney's the man, I think, unless all heck breaks loose. But wait, he's Mormon---will he make us all become missionaries??

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  4. Your admirable acceptance of all faiths is marred by your bias against atheists and agnostics, who are gaining in respectability and numbers as we speak. They have made significant contributions to American society, too. But you are right-on regarding the Constitution taking precedence over personal beliefs. Although the majority of Americans are religious, the Constitution is the foundation of a secular government, and it has made for a successful pluralist society so far. I think you can follow my argument. My concern is with candidates for public office who belong to sects which contradict this gift of the Constitution. But perhaps you are right--that we shouldn't ask about such a thing?
    Mitt Romney seems to be withstanding Gingrich's attacks and will no doubt take SC, but I think Newt may be on to something. Have you listened to what he is actually saying, not just dismissing it as vengeance?

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  5. First, your assumption that I hold bias against atheists or agnostics is wrong and once again mischaracterizing what I said---which is again, that electing one for president would be the only way to avoid the concern of a person of faith exercising their beliefs over the constitution. However, I do disagree with your statement that our original govt. was founded on secular principles--it was founded on Judeo/christian principles, unless you wish to completely ignore the language and spirit of the words that were used in so many documents.

    I do not dismiss Newt's recent attacks on Romney as pure vengeance--he is also trying to regain lost ground, and that may have been the only way for him to do so. I wouldn't have minded his going after Romney for the Healthy Care bill in Mass., or his so called "flipping", but to go after him for his history of firing and rebuilding, or even in some cases closing failing businesses---that's called business, which isn't alway easy or nice--- was hypocritical and a betrayal of the Republican party. He lost me, and he had me before that. Before you fire back, don't be too politically motivated. Obama should have used more restraint before he shoveled tax payers' money into Solyndra, an obviously failing company. And perhaps he should open the contoversial pipe line, which would create many, many jobs for this country.

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  6. The First Amendment separates church from state making the USA one of the first secular states on earth. It was composed by non-religious statesmen to protect themselves and other minorities from those who would make of the USA a theocracy.
    Apparently it was not obvious to the White House that Solyndra would go belly up. Perhaps they were too ambitious to support a green company. I don't know. But what has that to do with Newt Gingrinch or my being too politically motivated? And the pipe line is an even more puzzling nonsequitor. But why is it so controversial anyway? Besides, what should be done about Tim Tebow wearing his religion on his sleeve?

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  7. Why must anybody "do" anything? Last time I checked it was still a free country.

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  8. One final note before we move on---the White HOuse most certainly did know about Solyndra's vulnerability to bankrupcy. They were warned and cautioned by their own people who knew the inside story, and implored not to move ahead--- they proceeded at their peril, and peril happened. Newt, Solyndra, and the pipe line are all connected because they all represent decisions made for political expediency, not for the good of the country.

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  9. Excellent point! Too much trouble is caused by folks intent on doing something!

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  10. You were right, Kellee, Huntsman is out. He naturally threw his support to Romney. :-(

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  11. Full Sail University, Florida was named by Mitt Romney as an example of where higher education should be going. Turns out: The president of the University is heading up the Romney campaign in Florida. The university has few other strong points. Then there's Bain Capital through which Romney enjoyed firing people. What a guy!

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  12. grasping at straws, aren't we?? I think Romney has shown himself to be a leader among leaders in many ways. Nobody's perfect, but right now, Romney is lookin' pretty d--- good, compared to the alternatives---all of them, incl. Obama. After S. Carolina, it's game on.

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  13. After listening to parts of the debate that I missed last night---I'm pretty impressed with Gingrich. How do you like them apples??

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  14. Did you watch the debate? Did you hear Romney's answer to the question about releasing his income tax return? Personally, at least, I don't think that's a mere "straw".
    Beware of Ron Paul. Lots of Gingrich, Perry
    and Santorum people are looking to him as a second choice. He will probably dog Romney all the way to the Repub convention. Nobody particularly likes Romney, as in "nobody's perfect". I don't think the least repulsive Republican will be able to stand up to Obama.

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  15. Re your last statement ( more later on your first statement), what exactly would the least "repulsive" Republican be standing up to? Obama hasn't much to crow about, and he knows it---other than killing Osama B., but then he's still too cool for school, at least the old fashioned school of American Dreams, American Pride, and American Strength through power. He adheres to a different school of thought---we'll see if it still plays well in the American mind.

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  16. I could list Obama's accomplishments, but it's too late tonight, so I'll just comment on Romney's losing support over his handling questions re. his income, his tax responsibilities, and his reluctance to release his 2011 income tax return. Suddenly Gingrich has overtaken him in SC. He is just a visual aid to the unfairness of the tax code as it stands today, which until now has been underappreaciated. But the people are getting wise to it and beginning to demand reform. You know the Republicans will not head up reform that takes even a few percentage points from the wealthy. So who's going to do it? The Dems will need more grass roots pressure, but at least there's a chance with Obama in office for another four years.

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  17. God help us if we destroy people like Romney who is an good man, made his money honorably and played by the rules---and uphold as a better example a man like Obama who spends the taxpayers money like a drunken sailor, refuses to build a pipeline that would create jobs and stop our independance on the middle east, and who is first and foremost a politician who is anything but transparent, and is using class warfare to exploit his socialist agenda and keep himself in power. Almost everyone agrees the tax system need some kind of overhaul, but don't excoriate those who have made money legally and kept or invested legally. I don't know of any one who has contributed money to the IRS voluntarily, incl. Obama, who thinks nothing of hosting lavish parties in the White House during these hard times, and traveling in the most expensive manner, using not one, but two jets to ferry Michelle and he separately to not altogether necessary destinations---all at the tax payers' expense.

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  18. Give me a break! parties and travel are but a pittance. Get real and talk about substantive issues. The fact is: Romney is losing support in SC under pressure from Gingrich. Now Gingrich's sexual indiscretions have been brought to the fore. Quite a circus these Republicans put on! As for the legality of Romney's business dealings, we won't know that until or if he releases his 2011 tax returns.

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  19. I would ask that you give Romney a break!---as you said, you won't know of any wrong doing until he releases his infor. In your haste to cast aspersions to any Republican candidate that might pose a threat to the very vulnerable Obama, you are rushing to judgement and I suspect whether Romney broke any laws or not , you will find him guilty of capitalism in the first degree. Obama has cost this country more in terms of jobs and revenue, due to his inept handling of the recession, than any tax inequities. Facts that came out today, say that the 15% Romney paid in taxes are commensurate with those who earn over 200,000.00---those under that amount paid less, around 12%---which is 97% of the people. Yes, he made a fortune, and protected it by investing a good portion of it---those are the rules, and he played by them, as everyone does or should. Would you expect him to pay more if the rules don't demand more?? Give me a break----

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  20. Please reveal the source of those figures. They are on their face misleading.
    You continue to frame this conversation in categories of socialism vs. capitalism when the two are actually complementary in a mixed economy like the USA's and many others'. Beware of any purist. May we chat about the merits of issues apart from these loaded words? I do believe the tax code ought to be reformed so people who live off unearned income like capital gains pay at least as much as those who actually work for their income. How candidates stand on this issue is important to me and millions of others. No one should be expected to pay more tax than s/he legally owes, but the rules themselves must be fair. Obama has taken a position in favor of fairness. What position have any of the Republican candidates taken?

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  21. What did you think of the debate? Well, tonight SC will let us know what they think. Some Republicans are thinking they need a whole new candidate. If they would only draft someone other than extremists they might find what they need, in my opinion.

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  22. The above figures you referred to are straight from the IRS records. As usual,the media slants all things Republican or conservative in a negative light. Re the tax code, Pres. Obama's concept of "fair" is based on wealth distribution and class warfare. Unfortunately,though we are all born equal in God's eyes, there will never be true material equality---since the beginning of time, there have always been and always will be those who have more than others based on circumstances, talent, and ambition. People like Romney should not be castigated or made out to be less than qualified to be pres. just because he has done well---would we not all like to have done as well?? Investments, which protect much of his assets were originally income and have been taxed already. Further, investments are re-circulated money---hence the tax break. Beware of thinking that "fair" means taking money from someone else---it's not yours unless you've earned it. Conservatives understand this---perhaps the Repub. candidates seem extreme to you because of the extreme left positions the current administration has tilted us toward, anything right of that off center feels extreme. Just a thought---

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  23. Now it's official. Romney has lost decidedly in SC, and his decent seems to have been closely related to the advantage he's been able to take from loopholes in the tax code. People of modest means who pay their taxes don't like that. They know it's legal, but aren't content with the status quo.
    Yes, the world is not and never has been fair, but what justification is there for government at all if not to impose fairness as much as possible? Can it make it 100%? Of course not, but who really wants to live in the lawless wild west of yesteryear?
    When I label the current candidates "extreme" I am viewing them in comparison to Republicans in general, most of whom are moderates.

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  24. I beg to differ---surprise!! Once again, I think you're viewing Ginrich's win from your own lens, which is tilted left. I think he won, not so much because of Romney's tax disclosure, but because Republicans fear he is not conservative enough, and that Gingrich has shown himself to be a bold, articulate, and brilliant conservative when he stood up to the media on Thurs. night re the John King opening the debate on his personal life; and in addition when he decided to take Romney on for not shutting down the negative ads run by Super Pac. I think the tax issue had little to do with the Republicans choosing Ginrich over Romney this go round---they get it, and do not resent Romney for that. What they want is someone who can debate Obama and win---and they may have found their man.

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  25. Democrats are rooting for Gingrich, because he'll be easily defeated in debate with Obama. The people--especially democrats and independents but also many Republicans--don't want extremism. They prefer reason. And Gingrich has such a juicy past, not the least of which was his unique censure by his own party members for ethics violations in the House of Representatives. Leaders in the Republican party are still looking for a viable candidate.

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  26. Do you intend to watch the State of the Union Speech tomorrow night?

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  27. Yes, I plan to watch it tonight, though I'm expecting more of a campaign speech than a presidential report on a union whose state still isn't much to brag about----words like "still much work to be done--we were left with a massive mess to clean up", and "those who stand in the way of moving this country forward", yada yada, will be heard. But then, we can't expect our leader to actually lead at this point---can we?? Maybe he'll surprise us and say "Folks, I've had a change of heart and mind--we are moving forward with the Canadian pipe line. It's time to get real. In the months ahead you'll see me making decisions based on what's actually good for this country, not for politics. You'll like some of my decisions, and despise others, but I intend to lead, not from the left or the right, but straight down the middle, with slight corrections occasionally to the left or right. We'll not be screaming for higher taxes any longer, but will try to create revenue the old fashioned way, by creating jobs, and unstrangling the over regulations that are hampering our recovery. Our national security will not be threatened by any further cuts to the military or decisions based on hoping the enemy will come to their senses , and those who taunt us with nuclear threats, will pay a very high price, and I'm not talking namby pamby diplomatic restrictions. We aim to stay the world's leader--and I'm here to tell you that I've learned my lessons and ready to lead. America---and I, am the comeback kid--together, I promise you, with your help, we will be back--- stronger, leaner, smarter, and better than ever. I am no longer anyone's pawn---I'm your president and your partner. God bless the USA!! Yes, I said "God"--gotta a problem with that?
    Because I don't."

    Well,---in my dreams. That's not going to happen---so let's just say, Good luck, Mr. Prez. Hope your tele-prompter is working and the words are something besides the usual--

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  28. Excellent parody! Well, I'll be watching, so we'll see. Maybe we can chat tomorrow.

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  29. What a great speech!

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  30. What a great salesman!!! He'd better hope enough people bought the sizzle, because the steak is still missing.

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  31. Did you see the Republican Florida debate last night? It looks like Romney took this one. I'm beginning to think he might become the nominee! He's still on the defensive, though, regarding certain his tax responsibilites, since he continues to keep certain returns secret. And can we trust a man to be his own man and act solely in the interests of the nation when he contributes so heavily to his church (which has its own ambitions)?

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  32. Call me biased, but either Romney or Gingrich are sounding better than the alternative---can we trust a man who, among many other questionable acts, has refused to give the go ahead on a perfectly good pipeline project that would benefit so many? And can we trust a man who forged ahead with pumping money into an energy company that was obviously failing, but who had given money to the Obama camp?? A man who has done very little to improve the country, and much to weaken it?? And do we want to keep on trusting a president who is so obviously partisan, that he refuses to work with the congress and leaves much of the country horrified and in the dust of his bold and arrogant mis-use of executive power---which can be just as threatening and damaging as a religious zealot??? Yes, I am biased---but only after giving Obama a "fair" shot---he's blown it in my opinion and shown his true colors---his way or the highway.

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  33. Obama has overhauled the food safety system; advanced women's rights in the work place; ended dont't ask, don't tell in the military; stopped defending DOMA in court; passed the hate crimes bill, appointed two pro-choice women fo the Supreme Court; expanded access to medical care and provided subsidies for people with disabilities, expanded the children's health insurance program, fixed the preexisting conditions travesty [and rescissions] in health insurance, invested in clean energy, overhauled the credit card industry, making it much more consumer friendly; and created a Elizabeth Werren's dream agency to name just a tiny example of a hudge list of accomplishments (under unprecedented obstructionism from the "loyal opposion"). He has ended the war in Iraq and is bringing the war in Afghanisgtan to a responsible conclusion. Osama bin Laden, who had held our country hostage since 2001, is history. But this isn't my blog, and I shouldn't go on and on, though it's tempting to do so. Besides, everyone will learn these and many more facts the nearer to the general election we come.

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